Saturday, 5 April 2008

Fasting

I am one of those people who sticks a flag on what I don't understand. I have had many flags up in the Bible. I usually put these before the Lord and leave it up to Him and His timing to give me the revelation. When I hear teaching on a particular subject I listen to see whether it answers my questions. I have heard a lot of teaching on fasting and not much has really answered my question about it.

My question is simple, Why? From my own experience it does nothing more than make a physical suffering as if to say that this physical suffering, although self inflicted, will get God's attention more readily! This is also the answer that I have received from most teachers.

1, Why is it right to have self-inflicted suffering?
2, Does the "all-knowing" God need something to get His attention?

Anyway, yesterday I heard a teaching that blew my mind. It also did my favourite thing of changing the way we have been taught to read a certain passage!

Let's change subject for a while and talk about "unbelief." How many kinds of unbelief are there? Let's have a basic stab and say there are three:

1, Ignorance, if we don't know we wont believe.
2, Wrong teaching, same as number one.
3, Natural unbelief concerning supernatural things.

So, how do we get rid of this unbelief? How do we make each one go. The first to go through patient teaching. Providing a person is ready to receive and the teacher has the right teaching, then it follows that ignorance and wrong teaching can be replaced with the truth.

But how do we get rid of our natural unbelief? Jesus actually tells us, however, with a few added words from the translators we have missed the meaning.

"When they came to the crowd, a man came up to Jesus, falling on his knees before Him and saying, "Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is a lunatic and is very ill; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. "I brought him to Your disciples, and they could not cure him."And Jesus answered and said, "You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him here to Me." And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once. Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not drive it out?" And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting." Matthew 17:14-21

The last part of this passage is one of those "Not in early manuscripts" passages. However, that doesn't give me a problem. The point here is that the subject of what the disciples ask Jesus about is the demon. The subject of what Jesus talks about is their unbelief!

If "this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting" when did Jesus pray. I could kick myself because I had spotted that before, but hadn't spotted it in connection with "what goes!" Jesus immediately told the demon to go and it went. He didn't do what He said needed to be done to get rid of it (if He was talking about the need to fast to get rid of the demon!)

The "kind" that goes, is the kind of natural unbelief in the power of God. Now that fits with my problems. We are not trying to get God's attention through fasting, we are driving out our unbelief. We are starving it. We are denying the flesh the opportunity to be able to have its boastful stand. If we are prepared to starve our bodies for something then that something has to be important to us. If it is important to us then it follows that we are believing in it more strongly than if we aren't prepared to put ourselves out at all over it.

Of course, if you have strong belief in an area then you probably don't need to fast.

The only thing that pleases God is faith. There is no more sacrifice that we can do except believe. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Therefore we believe what the Bible tells us and what the Spirit tells us, testing it with Scripture. Acting on these is faith. However, what if we act on it, but don't fully believe what we are acting on? For example, we pray for healing, but somewhere deep down inside we don't believe it? How can we get rid of that unbelief. Pray harder? Shout? Pound our fists on the floor? Jesus says "This kind goes out only through prayer and fasting!"

3 comments:

Alice said...

I haven't thought about fasting in a while.

It's been my experience, the few times I have fasted, that being physically weak makes you more humble before God. It kind of takes you to the end of yourself so you can focus more fully on God.

But I haven't done it in years. It's extremely painful, plus, I haven't felt a nudging from God to do it.

I want to go cross reference the passage you wrote about. I believe it is in another of the Gospels. That usually helps me understand more.

Richard said...

I think this is the only passage that includes the "and fasting" bit. But even then, the reference to prayer would only be that you eithe tell the demon to get out or pray to God that the demon go. But Jesus tells the demon to get out!!

I take your point about humbling ourselves. That is one of my favourite verses, "Humble yourself before God therefore and He will exhault you!"

If I were playing devils advocate I would say that fasting instead of quietening my body so my Spirit can speak, my body actually gets louder!! (I know you haven't said this!! Just chewing) I like the idea that when we get a pang of hunger it reminds us to pray.

I knew a guy (he was an Anglican curate when I knew him) He told me of a time when he had wanted to humble himself. So, instead of looking for a good job he lived a life of poverty. He wanted to see whether it would make hime more spiritual, but it didn't!

I do not think that what you have said and what I have said are mutually exclusive but somehow tie together.

I really like the way you express the times you have fasted because that is how I would express it.

I feel that perhaps God is nudging me to fast for the sake of my new venture in woodwork! The problem for me is double mindedness! I can usually see both sides and plan for both eventualitis! We recently applied to be foster carers but were turned down because we had both suffered depression in the past!

I was really double minded going through the proccess. The times I have fasted I have been totally single minded in what I wanted. I have never fasted for guidance, and I have never fasted for clarity. I have only ever fasted for victory in a battle.

Even now, I know that undertaking me being self employed and home edding the kids is a lot. I would much rather God said the word so that I didn't even have to think about it. I would much rather make things for people as gifts than charge for it. It is a real blessing to be able to do that. I say that now, but later I will get a real desire to be my own boss and run my own business!! I vasilate!! It is like I have two convictions and alternate between them!

We were realising the benifits of me being self employed yesterday, but then there are benifits to having enough money and time to bless our kids by being able to take them places!!

Aagghh!!

I really need/want God to give me clarity and let me know. Psam 1 (another favourite) says whatever we put our hand to prospers, but we are also warned about being double minded, I am sure it robs us of God's blessing!

Alice said...

Richard, thanks for letting me chew it over with you. (I picture us wearing cowboy hats and gnawing on beef jerky). (My cowboy name for you is "Chewy" although "Chewer" would be more accurate.)

Back to the topic. I see what you mean about seeing both sides to something. I like to lay all the possibilities on the table, so to speak, and then deal with the truth of each, eliminating as I go.

Sometimes when I do that it is because of a lack of faith as to what God has said, and I'm making back up plans.

Other times I think it is an act of faith. I have no doubt that God can do something if he wills it. I just don't know if he wills it. So I look at the options, eliminate the obvious poor choices, then contemplate what's left.

As far as God's will goes, his purposes cannot be thwarted. He will advance his kingdom on earth, and he will make me more like him.
He may do that through my successes, or he may do it through my failures. That is, he may will that I fail (or get sick, etc). Either way it will be ultimately for good.

I don't think trusting his character is being double minded. I think not believing that he could do something is. I think.

I'm sorting and exploring as I type.

Good beef jerky. Gotta run ..